Goldberg vs. Mearsheimer by Gilad Atzmon
Sunday, September 25, 2011 at 10:24AM 
Professor John Mearsheimer is subject to a Zionist-trans-Atlantic-attack for supporting my latest book The Wandering Who.
Earlier this year John Mearsheimer, the highly respected international relations theorist and Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, wrote the following preliminary front matter for my book:
‘Gilad Atzmon has written a fascinating and provocative book on Jewish identity in the modern world. He shows how assimilation and liberalism are making it increasingly difficult for Jews in the Diaspora to maintain a powerful sense of their 'Jewishness.' Panicked Jewish leaders, he argues, have turned to Zionism (blind loyalty to Israel) and scaremongering (the threat of another Holocaust) to keep the tribe united and distinct from the surrounding goyim. As Atzmon’s own case demonstrates, this strategy is not working and is causing many Jews great anguish. The Wandering Who? should be widely read by Jews and non-Jews alike.’
It seems as if the Zio-cons on both sides of the pond are now in a state of panic -- In an obviously orchestrated attack, the Zionist mouthpiece The Jewish Chronicle of London, the Islamophobic Award winning ‘Harry’s Place’ and the ex-Israeli concentration camp guard Jeffrey Goldberg* , all launched a typical Hasbara smear & intimidation campaign, in which they labeled both Professor Mearsheimer and myself anti Semites. I was also called a ‘neo Nazi’, a ‘Hitler apologist,’ a ‘Holocaust denier’ and a ‘hatemonger’.
To be honest, it is somewhat amusing that an ex concentration camp guard like Goldberg should label me a ‘Hitler apologist’ or a ‘Holocaust denier’: after all, since Goldberg is an ardent pro-war Zionist who openly and enthusiastically supports a Jews-only, racist, expansionist state, it is clear that he is actually the one who is an advocate of a distinctly Nazi-like ideology and practice.
In addition, I learned from Goldberg that Adam Holland (yet another notorious Zionist zealot), also cannot quite believe that Professor’ Mearsheimer would endorse my book.
Adam Holland wrote: “I had trouble believing that a distinguished professor at one of the world's greatest universities would link himself to a hatemonger like Atzmon. So I sent Professor Mearsheimer an email quoting the blurb and asking him to verify its accuracy. I also gave him an opportunity to amend it or add to it. Here's what he ( Mearsheimer) wrote back:
"The blurb below is the one I wrote for ‘The Wandering who’ and I have no reason to amend it or embellish it, as it accurately reflects my view of the book." John J. Mearsheimer
What is clear to the rest of us is that our Zionist detractors are fighting a lost battle. I really wonder what they hope to achieve: after all, those who have taken the time to actually read my work know very well that there is no hatred, no anti Semitism, and no racism in my entire body of work. Instead, I believe that truth is a dynamic process -- I believe in the power of reason and in free debate.
If Jeffrey Goldberg has any dignity left at all, then he should start again -- He should apologise to Professor Mearsheimer, myself, the Palestinians, and to humanity. He would do better to also try to present an argument, and if he actually has anything to say, he would be best advised to then learn how to argue and encounter in debate.
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* In the light of Goldberg’s smears on both myself and Professor Mearsheimer, it is worth bearing in mind that Jeffrey Goldberg decided to make Aliya when he was eighteen: he left America for Israel, joined the IDF and served as a prison guard in an Israeli concentration camp during the First Intifada.
Reader Comments (18)
Gilad Atzmon : "I have many doubts concerning the Zionist Holocaust narrative. Being familiar with many of the discrepancies within the forcefully imposed narrative, being fully familiar with the devastating tale of the extensive collaboration between the Nazis and the Zionists before and throughout the Second World War, I know pretty well that the official Holocaust narrative is there to conceal rather than to reveal any truth."
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What are these "many doubts", Mr Atzmon? Let's have them.
What is "the official Holocaust narrative"? What does your phrase actually mean - "official Holocaust narrative"?
By saying the 'official Holocaust narrative' conceals rather than reveals ANY you are actually saying it is untrue, correct? That would make you a Holocaust denier. If it does not reveal ANY truth, but rather conceals it, then how are you not a Holocaust denier? If the Holocaust narrative does not reveal ANY truth, then how could there have been a Holocaust?
And what does 'the official Holocaust narrative' conceal? And if it doesn't reveal ANY truth, what IS the truth about the Holocaust?
Atzmon: " I think that 65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz, we must be entitled to start to ask the necessary questions. We should ask for some conclusive historical evidence and arguments rather than follow a religious narrative that is sustained by political pressure and laws."
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You are claiming there is no "conclusive historical evidence and argument" for the Holocaust.
If you really believe that, then why not profess that you are a Holocaust denial? And why do you try to sue people who claim you are a Holocaust denier?
You want to have it both ways, it seems. You seem to wish to be able to deny the Holocaust whilst avoiding the opprobrium Holocaust denial attracts.
Why do you pussyfoot about so much? If there's no historical evidence and argument for the Holocaust, then there's no reason to believe it. To say there's no evidence or argument to support it is denial, but you deny being a denier. Cowardice on your part, perhaps?
What are your specific doubts about the Holocaust? Let's have them?
Atzmon: I still do not know what holocaust denial entails.
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But you deny you do it. Silly - you can't deny you do something when you do not know what that something is.
If you don't know what it is, then maybe you do do it. You certainly can't deny it if you don't know what it is.
may i ask, what is an Holocaust ?
My comment is in response to the other readers comments. Until 1991 a sign stood at Auschwitz that said "Four million Jews were murdered here". Now the sign says "1.1 million Jews were murdered here". The number was amended when the original figure could no longer be supported. I looked for the entry in wikipedia which used to have a picture of the old sign and the new sign, but wikipedia has since removed the photo of the old sign that once stood there. I wanted to look for the exact wording on the sign, but they decided to remove some information. Anyone that said prior to 1990 that one million people died at Auschwitz, not four million, was called a "holocaust denier" or maybe a "holocaust minimizer" (I don't know the date this term came into use). Wikipedia writes on its Auschwitz entry that "Holocaust deniers" "use" the change in the number put on the sign as evidence to support their case. This is an interesting twist on the story, because in fact it was the "holocaust deniers" researchers who can be credited (or blamed, depending on how you look at things) for having the sign changed.
When I was in high school in the 1970's I recall we spent several weeks in english class reciting Sylvia Plath poems (she was a noted poet) about how the Germans skinned Jews and made soap and lampshades from them. This was in New York and most of my classmates and friends were Jewish. Born to German parents myself, I slowly sank down in my seat and was completely quiet, but upset by the discussion. Both my teachers were Jewish. When I brought the subject up with one teacher, I objected to what they were teaching us. My teacher assured me it was all true and that one of his grandmothers was German and he was not anti-German. When I went to the high school principal to complain, saying my teachers were anti-German, my teacher said that was a "serious charge" and sent me on my way. They talked up this story for 30 or 40 years, making this sound like a big operation NAZI Germany had going on - skinning Jews and making soap and lampshades from them. We now know that this is a complete lie. A complete lie. The Germans didn't skin Jews.
At the Dachau concentartin camp there is a gas chamber and crematorium for all the visitors to see. We were told for years the Germans gassed people there and then cremated them. Historians now know that is not true. I'll post here a document where the United States Holocaust Musem says that although Ameican troops claimed people were gassed at Dachau, its not true, people were not gassed at Dachau. So this is a lie too.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Dachau/Brudehl280198.html
Whether the other accusations made in the letter against the Germans are true or not, I don't know. Yet when you look at the wikipedia entry on Dachau they show a picture of what they say is a "crematorium in operation". The story we have been told for years is that the Germans murdered their victims by gassing and then cremated the bodies. So when people see the photo of the crematorium, thats what they think. There is obviously something wrong with the whole story, because its now known the Germans did not gas people at Dachau.
Here an American GI writes how he witnessed the allies construct a phony crematory at Dachau in 1964-65.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Dachau/Dachau200799.html
This is a document about a short book a German soldier wrote of how he was forced by the Russians to build a gas chamber at Sachsen-Hausen "after" the war was over. The German governent threatened to throw him in jail. They may no longer be occupied by enemy soldiers, but the mentally they are still occupied.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Haig_170508.html
So this is a lie too.
In order for someone to "deny" something, it has to first be an incontovertible fact, but many of the so called facts we have been told are outright lies. And the people that call someone a "holocaust denier" stand with liars.
Interesting how the responses are typical Holocaust denial.
FYI - Poland was in the Soviet bloc until the overthrow of communism. Did you not know this?
The Auschwitz figure (the Russian one) was never used by Western historians to determine the approx. 6 million figure. Following the overthrow of communism (and Stalinist falsification) Auschwitz re-examined the figure with a thorough investigation. They concluded 1.1 million - corroborating what western historians had said all along. And they changed their figure.
As Western historians had never used the Russian figure, there was no need to change the overall figure.
This is very readily available information - anyone with a real interest should have no problem in finding out the facts. That the poster has never bothered speaks of their intent - and their confirmation bias.
Still, it's very interesting that Gilad Atzmon attracts such posts. Gee, I wonder why that would be?
Letter from Dr Rascher to Himmler: 1942
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Dr. Sigmund Rascher
Munich
Togerstr. 56
August 9, 1942
Esteemed Reichsführer!
As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.
(signed)
S. Rascher
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All lies, right? But as the poster says, it seems highly likely that Dachau's gas chamber was not used for homicide. The poster is attacking a strawman - neither the Holocaust nor the notion of mass homicide by gas rests upon Dachau having been used for such purpose. Strawman.
The poster claims "we were told for years that people were gassed at Dachau".......by who? How does the poster know some people were not? There is evidence suggesting they were, though not in the sense of mass-homicide.
The poster correctly relates that soldiers *at the time* believed gassings had taken place -
hardly surprising liberating soldiers thought so as they were confronted with piles of corpses, and there WAS a gas chamber at Dachau.
And the letter from Rascher to Himmler serves as an example that it wasn't beyond the Nazi ken to do so. But unlike the Nuremberg IMT, the American Military Tribunal at Dachau did not include charges of Crimes against Humanity - though there was testimony and evidence presented at the Dachau trials that SOME people were gassed there.
The poster seeks to present a strawman - and by attacking it suggest the Holocaust never happened. Fail.
It's impressive that Mearsheimer endorses this book. I can't wait to read it. It's already received numerous negative views from people who haven't - I first heard about it from Andy Newman in the Guardian, who argues that we shouldn't talk about the Lobby because its anti-semitic and this doesn't help the Palestine solidarity movement. What he means of course is that exposing the Lobby is exactly what the movement needs to do, what it has omitted to do, and this is why it has failed, and he wants this to continue.
PS. Many good people, like Jeff Blankfort, argue that we should avoid the big H. I disagree - I don't think you can avoid it - it gets shoved down your throat all the time. We should openly discuss it, and this means allowing people who you think are greatly underestimating it. You answer their arguments courteously, the same as any other argument you disagree with. Full marks to Gilad for stirring up this debate.
Jay Knott: Andy Newman in the Guardian.....argues that we shouldn't talk about the Lobby because its anti-semitic and this doesn't help the Palestine solidarity movement.
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LIAR.
That's not what he says. If he says that, quote him saying it. Otherwise, we all know you accept you are lying.
Dear Sir, I thankyou. it is rare these days to hear truthful knowledge considering the progressiv destruction of civilized nedia as we know it. the zionist hypocrisy world wide has reached crisis levels and it appears the lunatic state that is Israel comes to an end before it starts WW3 . I am also jewish and i have also discovered truth as is . True judaism is , or atleast was, about love, morality and spiritual peace . Israels zionist zealots could not be possibly farther from such .. Israel has failed, zionism has failed, hate has failed, ... truth has won :)
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On September 26 the poster Really? posts what he says is a letter that was written to Himmler. I have some bad news for the poster. The letter he posted is written in English and the the language spoken and written in Germany is German, so this letter is obviously a fake written by a fool or a translation of a document which he doesn't produce in the original format, meaning its worthless. It has the value of a cheap forgery.
He claims that western historians never used the 4 million figure that was posted at Auschwitz for the whole world to see for 45 years, but doesn't present any evidence to back his claim that "no" western historian used the 4 million figure. I'm not even sure how he would present evidence about such a wide reaching claim. He can't and he doesn't. The sign was there for 45 years and in the hundreds (or perhaps even thousands) of articles or television reports I saw on the holocaust before 1990 I never saw one by a western historian claiming the 4 million figure was wrong.
Seeing gas chambers (or perhaps not since the allies also had them built after the war was over to incriminate Germans) might make the allied soldiers think humans were gassed since allied propaganda had already told the soldiers and their civilian countrymen what monsters the Germans were, including making claims about gassing Jews during the war. Some people might question such outlandish claims, but when you compare that to the skin and lampshades lies, those claims were mild.
Of course the more sensible reason might be a gas chamber is for delousing purposes, as gas chambers were widely used for that purpose before the war even started. When eastern Europeans immigrants entered Germany they often had lice (or disease) and the most modern state in the world removed lice from the immigrants clothing with gas. That would make sense, but wouldn't fit the hate generated so that over 100,000 Dresdeners could be burned alive in 3 hours.
A discussion of the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89uaua-tCFo
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